40 Days to Stronger Family Connections – Ryan Rush

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40 Days to Stronger Family Connections

Guest:Dr. Ryan Rush

From the series:Restore the Table (Day 2 of 3)

Air date:May 1, 2025

Ryan:I think what holds a lot of people back from inviting people over is you have this sense; you don’t want to have people in your house until it’s perfect because all we see is social media. “So you know what? We need to wait until we paint the walls, or we clean the house, or we do whatever.” And listen, your neighbors have that same laundry basket full of unfolded clothes on their sofa too, and you’ll actually make them feel more at home if you just leave it there and say, “We’re going to sit around the kitchen table and just break the ice.”

So stop worrying about being perfect before you invite your neighbors over. It’ll mean more if you do it now.

Ann:Welcome to FamilyLife Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I’m Ann Wilson.

Dave:And I’m Dave Wilson. And you can find us at FamilyLifeToday.com. This is FamilyLife Today.

You know, it just hit me—

Ann:What?

Dave:—is we’re doing this whole interview wrong.

Ann:Why?

Dave:This is day two and we don’t have any food in front of us.

Ryan:That’s the truth.

Dave:Think about this.

Ann:We should have had food at the table.

Dave:We’re talking about the dinner table, mealtimes, how significant it is with Dr. Ryan Rush and yesterday, that’s all we talked about. And all we have is something to drink. Where’s our steak? Where’s our turkey? Where’s a burger?

Ann:If you missed the conversation yesterday, go back and listen because it was rich and wonderful, and I feel like it was really inspirational.

Ryan:Well, you guys were a blessing to me. And I would say that the idea of a mealtime while we’re having an interview sounds good in concept, but I don’t know in practice if people want to hear us—

Ann:Our audio engineer would probably hate that as we’re chewing and biting.

Engineer:It’s called ASMR, right?

Dave:ASMR?

Engineer:Yeah, it’s all the rage on YouTube.

Ann:Are you serious?

Ryan:Seriously, yes.

Engineer:They’ve got whole videos where all you hear is them cutting their food—

Ryan:Right. Our daughter who is disabled, will watch videos of a dude eating mac and cheese—

Ann:No.

Ryan:—slurping spaghetti.

Ann:What?

Ryan:Yeah.

Dave:Ooh.

Ryan:This is a thing.

Dave:You know what? Forget that idea of having food at the table. I don’t know what I was thinking, but we’re at the table and we’re talking about something you’ve been studying for years. Restore the Table: Discovering the Powerful Connections of Meaningful Mealtimes. When I picked this up, first of all, I’m like, really? And then I read it and I’m like, wow, this is—

Ryan:Oh, thank you.

Dave:It’s in scripture. Jesus modeled it. It’s everywhere, but it’s something we don’t think is important and it isn’t just important, it’s mega important.

Ryan:That’s really true. I find that it’s one of those things where I rarely come across somebody who says, “Mealtimes aren’t important,” but it gets set on the back burner. We don’t think of it as a priority. It’s something that we get around to. And most people don’t realize how long it’s been since they’ve had a meaningful mealtime because it’s just something that we get busy about. We still eat, but we don’t eat together.

Ann:I think parents, I think they would say it’s important. I agree. I think they would love it, but they don’t know how to go about it. Our kids are in a million different activities. We don’t have time to cook. Somebody’s going here, somebody’s going there. So how do we find the time to sit at the table together? It feels impossible. What would you say to that, Ryan?

Dave:How do we?

Ryan:I would say you’re eating anyway. We’re all eating anyway. So how long has that taken you? Twenty minutes? Is it something you do in the car on the way to something? First of all, we talked about that a little bit yesterday. That’s not very healthy, so there’s other issues going on if that’s what mealtime has been reduced to. But you can do this. Everybody needs to eat anyway. So this is the perfect stopping point to press pause in your day and say, let’s do it.

We’ve had some wonderful testimonies in our church of families of teenagers or preteens who are doing this at breakfast. So that would be another place you say, “Well, I’m just too busy. You don’t know. Later on, we’ll do this.” No, if you don’t do it now, you probably won’t. It doesn’t matter the season of life. And if you’re busy, that’s even more important that you do it now. So find time that everybody’s already together and do it.

Ann:So yesterday you said five times a week. People are like, “There’s no way we can do five times a week.” Do you think it’s possible?

Ryan:Absolutely, it’s possible. And so five times may sound daunting. First of all, if you understand, we’re not talking about a four-course meal. You’re not trying to impress the neighbors or put it on social media.

Ann:You don’t have to cook it yourself.

Ryan:No. And then you just find that time that you coordinate everybody’s schedule. Here’s my challenge to a family who’s busy. That’s most of us. Sunday after church have a meal. Sunday after church for the Rush family, we finish up, we go to the same Mexican restaurant near our home. My parents who are now a part of my church—it’s kind of cool. I get to pastor my parents—join us for this meal every week together. That’s a time that a lot of people have kind of pressed pause, and you have time together.

Dave:What do you do with the NFL football game, you wait?

Ryan:You know what’s funny? I have to be careful because it’s on in the restaurant, so we just have to face the other way. I can be the world’s worst about acting like I’m watching. You’ve done that and you’re looking over the shoulder.

Ann:Yes, he has done that, Ryan.

Ryan:My wife has caught me so many times like, “No, we’re not doing that.” Good question. But we can record these things nowadays, right?

Ann:Good point.

Ryan:So Sunday afternoon sometimes, breakfast Monday morning to kick off the week. Why not have a time together? A lot of churches will have some sort of mealtime or activity on a day of the week, like Wednesday. Our church actually has a mealtime there. And so bring your family together, pay a few bucks and sit around the table and have a conversation. So find those built-in pockets of time.

So when our girls were younger and they were racing around, we would have one day a week when we were on our way to dance practice for Reagan, and we would go buy this one food truck that sold barbecue and we’d pop the back of the car, the minivan, sit on the back, have a picnic. And so you just build around your life, but you take those moments, and you seal them off. I’m telling you, five is not that many.

Ann:That’s good. I like the creativity of that too. I have a thing with our grandkids. We call it trunk picnic; same thing that you did, you’re saying. We go through the fast food, we pop up the trunk of the car, and we sit in the back. We have a blanket there, and we sit, and we just talk, cross-legged and you wouldn’t be able to fit back there.

Dave:I can’t bend my knees like that.

Ann:But you could sit on that.

Ryan:The kids will never forget it.

Ann:Never forget it.

Ryan:The grandkids never will. So is this literally a trunk or is it like a tailgate?

Ann:It’s not a tailgate. We’re in it because we’re in Michigan and it’s cold sometimes and raining. And so we are in the back of the car.

Ryan:—of an SUV?

Ann:Yes.

Ryan:Not the trunk then.

Ann:Oh yeah, that’s true.

Dave:Roll down the seat and get out of the room.

Ryan:This was an image. It was odd to me.

Ann:I’m thinking of SUV trunk.

Ryan:Your grandkids are going to wake up saying, “Remember when grandma put us in the trunk?”

Dave:And we couldn’t breathe?

Ann:I think they did call it the trunk though.

Dave:We ate laying on our side.

Ann:Maybe they think it’s bad as the trunk now today instead of—

Dave:They called it the trunk.

Ryan:I have to tell you guys something because Ann, since we’re picking on you.

Ann:Good, I like it.

Ryan:I listened to a podcast the other day that you guys were on, and you quoted Psalm 27:3 and you said, “The fruit of the loom is a reward.”

Dave:You listened to that.

Ryan:And so I want you to know right away I thought, “These are my people and I’m going to be right at home.” So you’re good.

Dave:They were supposed to edit that out.

Ann:I laughed so hard. Did you hear me laughing at that?

Ryan:Yes.

Ann:I listened to it again too. I laughed again.

Dave:That was the same one that she kept saying—

Ryan:So the fruit of the loom is your reward, and your wife is taking the kids to the trunk.

Ann:Rearview mirror.

Dave:Hey, don’t be ripping on Fruit of the Loom. They’re pretty good. Wilsons, we do it right; trunks and looms.

Ann:We’ve talked about this before too, but because our boys were all in football, they’d come home from school, have a snack, but then we would wait to eat dinner. I’m not kidding.

Dave:She waited because I was coaching. And so dinner would be like eight o’clock at night. And most of the kids I coach never had a meal because they missed it.

Ann:—with their family. I mean, they ate on their own.

Dave:And I’m like, “My wife is saying, ‘Nope, we’re going to wait. We’re going to eat at eight o’clock, jump in a hot tub after.’”

Ryan:That’s awesome.

Dave:Yeah, way to go.

Ryan:You were living this.

Ann:You’re right. I think you have to be creative to make it happen. And it’s so funny, I’m thinking of my dad again. He walked into somebody’s house and their dining room table was just full of junk. Their kitchen table was full of junk. You guys, he was so rude sometimes. He walked in and he would clear the table because we had fast food or whatever. He’s like, “We’re not going to sit on the couches. We’re going to sit at the table.”

Ryan:I love that.

Ann:I’m like, “This is so embarrassing, Dad.” He goes “No, this is important. We’re going to sit at the table and eat.” And he loved food, maybe that was most of it. And he liked to eat it on a table, but that was important. So even think about your kitchen or your dining area. Are you using it that you can all sit down. It’s easy to stand around an island now and not even sit and face each other. I think that’s important.

Ryan:Absolutely. And to think that you’re giving your kids snapshots that they’ll have written in their hearts and their minds for life. So you remember the conversations with your dad. You have your grandkids in the back of the car, not the trunk, the back of the car. They’re never going to forget that.

Some of my favorite memories growing up early childhood were around my grandmother’s kitchen table. My grandfather was in the army, so they lived all over the world and she would make these international dishes. And I treasure those moments. I can’t remember a lot from those early years—I’m talking five or six—but I can remember her kitchen table and I can remember the smells of those meals.

Ann:Wow.

Ryan:So they will never forget.

Ann:Yeah.

Dave:It’s interesting when you say that because I shared yesterday, I sat with my mom, just my mom and I, my grandma best cook in the world. We had a table. That’s the only place in my life I had a table.

Ryan:Wow.

Dave:Grandpa was there. Grandma was there. My mom was there and me. Yeah, I can see it. When you said that, I was like, “Wow, look at the power of the table.”

Ann:Wait, did you not sit at a table with your mom?

Dave:Yeah, we did, but it was a little dinky table. It wasn’t even, it was just mom and I, but the community part of having grandpa and grandma there, that’s the only time I ever had it.

Ann:Interesting.

Dave:I never even thought about it until right now.

Ryan:How about that?

Dave:I mean, you talk about the power of a community over a meal. There it is. Boom.

Ann:And Ryan, you’ve traveled worldwide. Are you seeing this everywhere?

Ryan:I am. In fact, some cultures have a head start because they don’t have as many distractions perhaps, and so they are already enjoying the mealtime a little bit more. And we’re seeing this happen naturally, life transference. When you go to other places, sometimes you realize what we’ve lost. But you also recognize the power of connecting even beyond the family, making your family a lighthouse to others in your neighborhood. I don’t know that there’s any more powerful tool than the mealtime.

I just got back from Somaliland in East Africa. Most people aren’t familiar with Somaliland. It’s an offshoot of Somalia, the nation you hear about with the pirates and Black Hawk Down and Mogadishu and all these things. Well, in 1991, they won their independence through a bloody civil war, but they’re not recognized by the UN yet. That’s a long story to say they’re in a very difficult situation. It’s a nation that is a hundred percent Muslim. There’s not a Christian Church in the land. And yet we have partnered with them because they have a priority for education that we do as well, so they’ve allowed us in. They’re very aware that we’re Christians. But as you can imagine, there’s a little bit of distrust.

So when we first came in a few years ago, got to know these people. We were just talking about education. I was trying to use, pull my PhD card and share with some information that we could say, this is empirical evidence that this works. Talk family that way. But what changed was a mealtime. I talk about this a little bit in the book. But we sat around a table with the mayor of that region, the education minister of the nation and the governor, and they sat down in front of us all these random dishes. And it is one of those things when you go to other countries, sometimes you don’t want to know what you’re eating.

So it’s an old saying: “It’s my job to get it down. It’s God’s job to keep it down.” I will say this, in Somaliland, they’re known as the camel capital of the world.

Ann:Come on.

Dave:Really?

Ryan:They eat a lot of camel. So we have the gravy over some sort of meat, and we have some chicken, what have you. I tried to focus on the chicken but who knows what I ate. Here’s what I want you to know. I’m sitting next to this guy that doesn’t trust me. He’s the education minister of this foreign land. We start to ask, I wanted to know how he got involved in his particular area of expertise. And before long, what do you talk about over meal? You talk about family. We have pictures out, what have you. And all of a sudden, the walls came down. I look around this table with 12 or so people and everybody’s conversing all of a sudden. And we left that table friends. And if it weren’t for that mealtime, I’m telling you, I don’t think that we would’ve ever had the inroads in that nation.

So I just got back. Now I have some dear friends in Somaliland, and we just opened our second school. This happens to be a school specifically for disabled children. It’s the only one of its kind in the entire nation. And it’s also called the Lily Rush School for Special Needs. It’s named for my little girl and so it’s pretty special to me. But God is opening these doors in a far-off land because of the table. I’m telling you; God is using the table where we get to share the love of Christ with these people who’ve never heard.

Dave:Wow. I mean, I’m thinking, and you have a chapter in your book about neighbors and others coming to your table. That’s a little bit what you did there. But talk about how that looks in your home now or any of our homes.

Ryan:Absolutely. I think the idea of evangelism in the Christian Church today is sometimes seen as a bad word. It might be the only thing that Christians and non-Christians, kind of agree on. They have a distaste for evangelism Just because we’ve made it something so much different than what we see actually in scripture where you have this life-on-life relationship-based conversation about the Lord, where the Holy Spirit transforms a heart and a life and then a home.

So we have found the table to be the most effective tool in this way. And so with our neighbors, we have just gotten to know them by saying, “Hey, let’s get together. Let’s have a meal together.” And it’s become such a natural thing around our cul-de-sac that we actually rotate between our neighbors who’s going to host the next one the next quarter. So once a quarter, we have a meal with everybody in the cul-de-sac. And to give you an idea of what that’s like in West Houston, we have the most culturally or ethnically diverse zip code where I live in America.

Dave:In America?

Ryan:That surprises people. But what that means is you’re more likely to live next door to someone of a different ethnicity than anywhere else in the country because it’s just very spread out. It’s very kind of a hotbed of the petroleum industry so people come from all over the world.

I have neighbors from India who are Hindu, wonderful people. I have neighbors next to them who are from the UK and are cultural Christians. They don’t normally go, very nice people. Some people who are not churched from China; we had a couple move out from Russia next to them. They don’t live in the neighborhood anymore, but we have another couple next to them from Louisiana. And let’s be honest, that’s sort of like another country. I’m just kidding. You’re going to get notes from people from Louisiana. We love them.

Dave:Don’t blame us; we didn’t say it.

Ryan:But you couldn’t ask for a more diverse group of people as far as backgrounds. What do you talk about? But you put a plate in front of you, or even better say, “Why don’t you bring a dish or feed us something from your background?” and you never run out of conversation. And so the Lord has opened incredible doors just by doing that.

I know very few people who would not say yes if you invite them to a meal; just say, “Hey, let’s have dinner together.”

Ann:And so instead of going to a neighbor with a tract and just evangelizing, you’re saying just bring them to the table and have a meal and get to know them.

Ryan:Absolutely, hear their story, let them hear yours and it all happens very organically.

Ann:How do your daughters, I’m sure they’ve been a part of that, and Lily, your 18-year-old daughter with special needs has been a part of that, how has that shaped them?

Ryan:I think if they were sitting here, they’d tell you that they have great memories growing up of mealtimes because it was sort of a respite in the busyness of life. In a pastor’s household, again, the challenge that we face, and Dave you know this, is that if your practice or your career of ministry, of investing in people becomes too polished or rote, then your kids are the first ones that realize you’re faking people out.

Dave:Yeah.

Ann:Totally.

Ryan:So you can’t fake it. And I decided a long time ago, I’m not going to try to be a super pastor. I’m just going to try to be a follower of Christ in front of my kids and I think they know that. So our mealtimes, thanks mostly to my wife Lana, were a time where we just sealed everything off and they were treasured moments.

Now here’s the challenge. When Lily was born—she’s 18 years old now—the first few years were absolute chaos. In and out of hospitals, we weren’t sure whether she was going to live, and so that was a stormy time in our lives with our girls. A lot of trauma from that sense and so when we had the chance to have the mealtime, it became a treasured time. Of course, our older girls are out of the house now, but they still look back on that time.

Here’s what’s funny; when I was writing this book, we recognized how different our meals have become because we have a daughter who’s nonverbal, mostly hearing impaired. And so when we sit around the table, we could lose sight of the idea that, well, is she even focusing on this? Or maybe she doesn’t care, so let’s just turn the TV on. And we recognized how special it is to her just to have that eye contact.

Ann:Really?

Ryan:It’s even more important, yes. And so Lily can’t talk. We’re not fully aware of how much she understands, but sometimes she blows us away with these insights of helping us know she’s very aware of what’s happening around us. But she’s our prayer warrior. In some ways, she’s our prayer police. So she can’t talk, again, but she’ll fold her hands and look at us. It doesn’t matter who’s around the table. It doesn’t matter where they are in their spiritual walk, they’re going to pray, and she’ll give them—

Ann:Even your neighbors stink coming over.

Ryan:—the stink eye. Oh yeah, she’s got her hands folded. She’ll just stare at them like “We’re going to pray.”

Ann:She gives them the stink eye.

Ryan:If you go get seconds, you’re going to have to pray for that meal again. So she’s watching this whole thing play out. And so she’s just taught us so much about just depending on the Lord, and recognizing how important it is that we clear off the clutter and have that time together.

Ann:That is sweet and powerful. It’s shaped you guys.

Ryan:It really has.

Ann:And I bet it’s shaped your neighbors coming over to be around her. And what I think is that as they see her wanting to pray, I think your neighbors would think, “Oh, this is the real thing for their family. This Jesus thing or this prayer thing is important to them if their daughter is actually initiating that for all of us.”—the boldness of that.

Ryan:Absolutely.

Dave:Yeah, and also, I know you’ve experienced what I’ve experienced is if you invite your neighbors over, it’s like, “Oh no, the pastor’s inviting us to his house,” whether they go to your church or not, they know you’re a pastor. It’s like, “Oh, no, this is going to be weird. Who knows what he’s going to do.” But if you have a meal and have a fun conversation, they go back home like, “Well, they’re normal.”

Ryan:Absolutely.

Dave:“They were fine. That was a good”—you know what I’m saying?

Ryan:Absolutely. And not only that, I think for those who aren’t pastors, most of your listening audience, they don’t have that stigma. But I think what holds a lot of people back from inviting people over is you have this sense; you don’t want to have people in your house until it’s perfect because all we see is social media. “So you know what? We need to wait until we paint the walls, or we clean the house, or we do whatever.” And listen, your neighbors have that same laundry basket full of unfolded clothes on their sofa too, and you’ll actually make them feel more at home if you just leave it there and say, “We’re going to sit around the kitchen table and just break the ice.”

So stop worrying about being perfect before you invite your neighbors over. It’ll mean more if you do it now.

Dave:Yeah. And if you invite them over, they don’t have “The pastor invited me,” but I bet they have “Oh, the churchgoers or the Christians invited me.”

Ryan:Absolutely.

Dave:And you know what? You don’t even have to talk about Jesus.

Ryan:No doubt about it.

Dave:Just have a great time with them.

Ryan:Well, and there’s ways maybe as a first step, if you want to make acquaintances, just invite all the neighbors over, have a Christmas meal together, what have you, and it’ll kind of blow them away because so often this doesn’t happen in today’s culture, but it’s more welcomed maybe than ever. And so if you’ll do it, just initiate that conversation or have it outdoors if you have a season of good weather where you live and have everybody bring a dessert to start with from the place where they’re from.

Ann:That’s a good idea.

Ryan:You’re going to automatically have conversation with them, and then that’s going to lead to the mealtimes.

Dave:It’s interesting, I haven’t thought about this in 40 years, and I’ve never connected the dots that I’m connecting right now. My first vision—I was in college—of a Christian marriage was over a meal.

Ann:Really?

Ryan:Wow.

Dave:Think about that. Bill Crimmins was a senior student at Ball State University, the most incredible university in the Midwest. Everybody knows that powerhouse football place.

Ryan:I’m learning it right now.

Dave:Yeah, you are. And I was the quarterback there, and it’s a long story, but he found out that I had just come to Christ from a friend of his who reached out and said, “Do you realize the quarterback of your football team came to Christ?” He reached out to me. We met, and I’m brand new in Jesus. I’m scared of the Bible. I’ve never read it; wasn’t a church going kid. And so he starts mentoring me. And then, I don’t know, weekend or so, he says, “Hey, why don’t you come to my”—he lived in student housing. He’s married.

Ryan:I love it.

Dave:—senior student, “Come to my house with me and Corky”—that was his wife named Corky Crimmins—”and have a meal with us.” I drove over there, I remember scared to death, some Christian dude. I’m new at this. What do they want to do at dinner? And we just sat there and had a meal. I remember getting in my car and I remember going, “That’s the kind of marriage I want.” I’d never seen a Christian marriage. I’d never seen a good marriage, and it was over a meal. I’d never connected the dots that if I’d sat with them in the student union, it would’ve been different.

Ryan:Not the same.

Dave:Sitting over a meal; all we did was talk. I watched them interact. We laughed. And I got in my car, and I said, “That’s what I got to have.”

Ryan:That is so cool.

Dave:And here we are.

Ryan:So I hope that’ll give some hope, maybe who have difficulties or challenges in your home right now. But don’t miss the fact that we get to do this all the time. There’s people around us who don’t have access to this, that if you just invite them to the table—what’s the extra expense of one more dish at the table or one more place at the table at a restaurant?—it could be life-changing because it’s not about the meal. They’re watching you. You’re not investigating the claims of Christ even. You’re investigating the Christ in someone else, and it’s transformational down the road. We can all do that.

Ann:I think in this culture, we’re so tired by the end of the day, we all want to numb out to watch some Netflix thing or some show or football or whatever. And it feels like, “I just don’t have the energy to put into that.” But I think what Dave and I have realized, we may be tired, but there’s an energy that comes from creating—it doesn’t have to be hard. You order in, you sit at the table, and you talk instead of watching TV that night. And what happens is you go to bed feeling like “That was good. I’m really glad we did that.” because it brings energy to our soul where when we want to just veg out and kind of numb out, that doesn’t bring us energy necessarily.

Ryan:Yes, you said it so well. That’s what I’m talking about. And I think that’s what maybe surprises people the most when they take the challenge—

Ann:Me too.

Ryan:—is you start to realize, “Okay, wait a second. This actually added energy to me.” And you realize, when I do sit and veg in front of that television for three hours, it’s not giving me any life back at all.

Ann:It drains us, honestly.

Ryan:Right, and so it’s a totally different thing, and we have gotten so far away from it that we don’t even realize how life-giving it is.

Ann:Yeah.

Dave:Yeah. Let me say this. Let me invite you—I know you’ve done this a bunch of times—to take the challenge, the 40-day challenge, we’re going to put it on our website, FamilyLife.com/TableTalk. Just go there. There’ll be the 40-day challenge.

Ann:There’ll be some questions for you.

Dave:I love that because sometimes you think, “Oh man, I can’t do this.” But for 40 days, try it out.

Ryan:Right, six weeks, you can do almost anything.

Dave:Try it out. And if you want the book Restore the Table, and you need to get it, just send us a donation of any amount. We’ll send you this book. And that’s at FamilyLifeToday.com. Or you can call us at 1-800-358-6329, or “F” as in Family—

Ann:Why are you hitting me?

Dave:I don’t know. No, it’s “F” as in food—

Ryan:Oh, there you go.

Dave:“L” as in—

Ann:Life—

Dave:Life—

Ryan:—lasagna.

Dave:Lasagna! “F” as in food, “L” as in lasagna, and the word “TODAY.”

Ann:I think this would be a great book, Restore the Table, to do even as small groups. I’m thinking of a lot of my friends. This would be a really fun one to do and to take the challenge together with some other friends, some other people, because it keeps you accountable. And then you can talk about with your group of friends, “How’s it going?” Especially with toddlers or teenagers, it’s going to be different. Or maybe you have a parent that you’re inviting that’s not doing well. So I think it’d be really fun to do this with some other friends too.

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