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When author and musical artist Andrew Peterson dropped to one knee, he confronted more than just nerves—he faced the weight finding peace in trusting God's plan. If you're wondering what it was like to get married young, Andrew's got helpful thoughts.

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    Shelby Abbott is an author, campus minister, and conference speaker on staff with the ministry of Cru. His passion for university students has led him to speak at college campuses all over the United States. Abbott is the author of Jacked and I Am a Tool (To Help with Your Dating Life), Pressure Points: A Guide to Navigating Student Stress and DoubtLess: Because Faith is Hard. He and his wife, Rachael, have two daughters and live in Downingtown, Pennsylvania.

If you’re wondering what it was like to get married young, musical artist and author Andrew Peterson has some helpful thoughts.

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Too Young to Get Married? Andrew Peterson

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Shelby: How “put together” does your life need to be in order to consider marriage?

Andrew: Well, it depends on what you mean by “put together.” I think every story is different. There are some people that you might say, “Ooh man, yes, I don't think you guys are ready to do this.” I think finances are low on my priority list though.

Shelby: Yes.

Andrew: You're never going to have enough money to get married. It's never going to feel great. You're going to be poor no matter what. It's good to be poor. You know? There's nothing wrong with that. I think that the main thing, I don't know if “put together” is the way that I put it. But if you're committed to the Lord and committed to each other, then the rest of the stuff is going to take care of itself.

Shelby: Real help for relationships in your twenties, this is Real Life Loading…

This is real help for relationships in your twenties, and this is Real Life Loading. Today, I'm delighted to say my guest is Andrew Peterson. Andrew is an author of several things, a musician, a husband, and a dad.

Andrew, this is a fun little fact, you and I have actually met before.

Andrew: Where?

Shelby: It was on a grassy hill overlooking a pavilion in Virginia when I was about twenty-one years old.

Andrew: Oh my goodness.

Shelby: You had a ponytail. Do you remember?

Andrew: I remember having the ponytail. Yes.

Shelby: Yes, you remember?
Andrew: Yes.

Shelby: We were both sitting on the ground and for some reason I knew what you looked like. I think I'd seen an image of you on some sort of like promotional thing. I was like, I think that's Andrew Peterson. They were doing a sound check in the pavilion on stage, because you were opening for Caedmon's Call.

Andrew: Wow.

Shelby: This was back in the late nineteen hundreds, if you remember that time. Those were good days. I remember sitting down next to you asking you a bunch of questions, and I knew that you were the opener for the concert that night. I don't remember anything about our conversation, but I do remember with clarity how kind you were to me.

I just remember, that was a very good interaction with someone who didn't need to be as nice as he was. So, I wanted to say thank you for that. It's always stuck with me over the years. And I played your first major album Carried Along over and over and over again in my car on a thing called a CD back then.

Andrew: Amazing, amazing.

Shelby: CDs were the precursor to Spotify®, I guess. I don't know. What do you remember about those days, if anything?

Andrew: I remember it was a season that changed the course of my whole life. Caedmon's Call was, a lot of your listeners probably don't even remember who they were, but they were a really—

Shelby: --No, they don't.

Andrew: --A big band and they were doing things differently.

Shelby: They were.

Andrew: You know what I mean? Like, they were in the Christian music ecosystem, but they were like outliers and doing something that was really striking and cool.

Shelby: Mm-Hmm.

Andrew: They played for these huge venues and colleges all over America. They very graciously would let independent acts open for them. I got to be one of those guys and it changed my whole life.

Shelby: Yes.

Andrew: But you were talking about CDs. This is so funny to me. I was at a show a couple of weeks ago, and I was on the bus after the show. One of the band guys was like, “Hey, there's like a group of. dads and their kids outside with Wingfeather books and they want you to sign them.”

I climbed off the bus and went out there to meet everybody and was signing the books. And one of the kids had a CD, he was like ten, and he asked me to sign a CD, and I didn't think anything of it. I was like, “Oh yes, cool, thanks.”

One of the other kids said, “What is that?” And he said, “It's a CD.” The kid said, “Okay,” and he kind of rolled his eyes. I thought, I wonder what that's about. A few minutes later, he said, “What is that, like a playlist or something?” Isn't that amazing?

Shelby: Yes.

Andrew: And I was like, well, kind of.

Shelby: Technically, yes, it is. I guess it is a playlist.

Andrew: Yes. It's like a playlist that we would choose and sell. Anyway, it was just like, wow, things have changed for sure.

Shelby: Yes. They have quite a bit. It's funny too. Because Caedmon's Call just did that like a kick-starter thing to try to rerecord their first album because it's not available on digital anywhere.

I was like, “Oh, I didn't even think about that.” So, I went up into the attic to find my box of old CDs. I pulled out their first CD, and they had signed all of it. I put it in my car, and I've been listening to old school Caedmon's Call stuff. It brings back tons of memories. They were my favorite band when I was late in college, and I was just a baby believer. I was only like two years old. Anyway. Yes, that's when I met you, and little did I know that you'd go on to do basically everything. [Laughter] Several albums, several books, nonfiction and fiction, including the wildly popular, what you mentioned The Wingfeather Saga and many other things for many people in the Kingdom.

One of the reasons that I wanted to talk to you was because of The Wingfeather Saga. My wife had purchased the whole series for my kids for Easter last year. We have a tradition of reading out loud to our kids, even though our kids are a little bit older now, we still read out loud to them, and we've been reading The Wingfeather Saga out loud to them.

Andrew: Wow.

Shelby: Right around book three is when I booked this interview with you, and I told my kids - I was going to be really popular with my kids for about three seconds, when I tell them that the author of this book is going to come on Real Life Loading. They were like what help us, or I said help me write a few questions They were like we'd love to write a few questions. I have a couple of questions from my kids and then we'll get into the meat of the interview. So yes, spoiler alert for anybody who hasn't read The Wingfeather Saga. Okay, that’s just my warning.

First of all, my ten-year-old wanted to know, are there any plans to write another book for The Wingfeather Saga?

Andrew: No. The series is four books long, and that's the story arc, and it ends in a way that I could not be happier with. I don't want to mess with it. There are some extra books that have come out. There's a book called Wingfeather Tales, which is a collection of short stories. A Ranger's Guide to Glipwood Forest, and the Pembrick’s Creaturepedia [The Wingfeather Saga]. So, there's fun, ancillary books that have come around it, but the saga is complete.

Shelby: Okay, that's what I figured. She just wanted to know and then again, she's ten.
So, she's a little bit curious about this kind of relationship stuff. She said, “Do Sara and Janner get married or is Janner actually dead?”

Andrew: Oh, my goodness, huge spoiler. Let's uh—

Shelby: --Big spoiler, like last few pages.

Andrew: Huge spoiler. You did warn people. I can't comment on that, honestly. Like, the way that it ends, it's so funny with the TV show, the fans have been shipping Janner and Sara and they've called her a “Jannera.” So, they've got like this name now. But yes, I'm just going to roll your

Shelby: Do roll your eyes at that kind of stuff, or do you?

Andrew: I think it's the best. It's like the fact that anybody cares about what you've made. It's just a huge. Yes, I love it.

Shelby: Okay. Well, when she asked that, she was like, okay, well then also ask him, do Maraly and Kalmar get married?

Andrew: Same answer. I have to no comment. No comment.

Shelby: Same answer: No comment. That's good. They really enjoyed the books and to see the illusions of Christian themes in there as well. Christ figure stuff and it was really great for my kids. I ended up reading the Harry Potter series to my kids over the course of the pandemic out loud.
We would read a book, watch the movie, read the book, watch the movie. We did that throughout and nothing has really captured their attention outside of the Harry Potter series with the exception of The Wingfeather Saga. I think that's a good compliment that I could pay to you.

Andrew: Well, thank you.

Shelby: You've done writing in a way that has captured the imagination of many young kids and not just young kids. I know plenty of people in their twenties who read this genre of book and many who have read The Wingfeather Saga. It's really a gift in many ways to open up the imagination of young people, but also help them to see the truth, which I imagine what Narnia did in the early days in the 1950s and ‘60s.

Andrew: Thank you. I appreciate you using the word allusion, allusion and not allegory. I always cringe whenever people say, “Oh, is this a Christian allegory?” And I'm like, well, no Pilgrim's Progress is a Christian allegory. Narnia is not an allegory. Lord of the Rings is not an allegory. It's a different thing. So now that you've read your own book three, is that true? Is that what you said?

Shelby: Well, we finished actually.

Andrew: You finished the whole thing. Okay. Okay. You were asking about the end I wondered if the kids had read ahead, but yes, your job is to go back and watch season one now. It is a blast. It is just a dream.

Shelby: I'd imagine as a creator and yes, all that stuff going on in your head, you see it visually on a screen. You're like, I can't believe this is happening. Were you just like over the moon when it happened?

Andrew: Oh yes. I wanted to be a visual artist before I wanted to be a musician and loved animation, have always loved movies and good TV shows. Really well written TV shows are wonderful, I think. To get to be in the room for it, you know, I'm not, I'm not, I just get to be one of the executive producers, which means that all the artists and the departments and everything. I get to be in the room and speak up if something goes off the rails. You know what I mean?

Shelby: Okay.

Andrew: So, when people ask me, “Does it look like what you imagined?” I'm like, yes, actually, exactly. Because I got to be a part of the hiring process for the artists and like, you know, when we're making stuff, character designs come across my desk, and I get to make comments on them. So, it is just a dream come true. I love it.

Shelby: Did you have any input on what the drawings look like in the actual book? Because there's like images every now and then.
Andrew: Yes! I'm a big fan and supporter of good illustrators and artists. My son is actually a professional illustrator and works on the animation team with Wingfeather among other things.

So yes, I have a lot of really good friends who are in that world. All of the art in the books is by people that I know and trust and love, for sure.

Shelby: How long did you marinate on the idea for the story? Was it just like a one book thing initially in your mind, or was it this is going to be four books? I know exactly what it's going to be from book one to two to three to four.

Why did you think, because I'm an author as well, why did you think as a musician, that I could write a series of novels? And I mean, that as a compliment, not as a dig at all in any way, because I know how hard it is to write a series, to break through in the industry and in multiple ways. And you've broken through in both the musical industry and in the literary world, what it is that like for you?

Andrew: There've been times when people have asked me for like publishing advice. I say, the only advice I know to give is to have a healthy singer-songwriter career before you start writing your novel. [Laughter]

Shelby: No big deal.

Andrew: Because honestly, the publisher just wants to sell books, you know what I mean?

I was able to kind of like demonstrate, well I've got a fan base. I tour a lot, and I can, even if the book is a giant mess, I'll be able to sell some at my shows. You know? So, I think it wasn't that simple. I didn't have to do a proposal and there was someone at the publisher that really believed in the story. That was how I got my foot in the door was that I had a platform already.

So yes, the short answer is yes. I envisioned it to be originally five books, but then the story morphed a little bit and one of the books got absorbed into the other, and so I knew it was a four book epic thing. And Harry Potter was coming out around the time I was writing these books. I loved being on the train, discovering the next part of the story in line at Barnes and Noble with everybody else, you know, to find out what was going to happen.

Shelby: Yes, yes.

Andrew: And so, I loved that idea of a story that seems kind of simple and small at the beginning. But then the bottom kind of drops out with each book and it gets deeper and richer and there's more peril. It's like, I wanted there to be a little bit of cartooniness. We described them as like a cross between The Princess Bride and Lord of the Rings.
So, it's like a little bit of a wink every now and then some goofiness, but also always this sense that there's some more going on. You know? So, convincing the publisher that like it's going somewhere was a thing. And so, anyway, yes.

Shelby: Yes. Very beautiful, well written. Again, as an author myself, like my first book that I wrote was actually a devotional on how to share the gospel with people. But the second book that I wrote, I decided to write a novel myself, like a young adult novel, and it was so fun, but it was also really, really challenging. I understand the process that you have to go through. Mine was only one book. Yours was four. So incredible that you were able to accomplish what you were able to do.

Andrew: Well, thank you.

Shelby: Based on the fact that you had already broken through in the music industry.

Andrew: Well, thank you. You know, the kind of music I do is a kind of storytelling, and stories are kind of what got me into the thing. So, it wasn't a huge departure in my own mind and there are enough similarities in the creative process, no matter what you're doing, whether you're a poet, or a painter, or a pastor writing sermons. There are principles that hold across all of those disciplines. Learning the craft of songwriting and album making and touring kind of prepped me.

Shelby: Yes.

Andrew: I'm just so glad to hear that you tried writing fiction. It's a trip. Like it's so completely different from writing something theological, but it's also profoundly theological. As a Christian approaching the storytelling process, it is an imagination shaping process. You know what I mean?

Shelby: Yes.

Andrew: Like whatever you happened with your book, you came out on the other side with an understanding about the way stories work, about the way that God tells stories, that you could not have had if you hadn't fought your way through that. Am I right?

Shelby: Yes. It makes you appreciate the creative process that God goes through with storytelling and knowing the ending and what needs to happen in the middle.

I remember standing at a whiteboard and drawing out the timeline of everything, of where I wanted things to go, what I wanted them to do. Mine was not fantasy or science fiction or anything. Mine was a story about a freshman in high school who shows up as a new kid at the school, and she enters this talent contest and decides to do stand up comedy.

So, she goes through this whole process of a competition where she does stand up over and over and over again until she gets to the final competition at the end. It was a really fun book to write, because they were like villains and friends and parents and jokes and all these kind of things that I had to do.

I understood the stage world, because I've done emceeing and stand up comedy myself. So, I was able to write from experience. It was a labor of love, it really was. But then, you know, you send it to publishers and acquisitions, and they rip it apart. It's like, this is my baby, how dare you? So, it's still living on my computer right now. I might go back and revisit it at some point, because I've written a few other nonfiction books. It'd be fun to dip my toe back into the fiction world.

Andrew: You should do it. I encourage everybody to do it.

Shelby: Well, you talked about writing as like storytelling through your songs. You have a song; I want to transition to this. You have a song called Dancing in the Minefields that talks about a little bit the early stages of your relationship with Jamie, your wife, including getting engaged. What our culture today would say is rather young. So, you got engaged at nineteen and your wife was twenty-one. Do you have any regrets about getting engaged at nineteen?

Andrew: Zero. I'm so glad.

Shelby: Zero. Okay, why, why?

Andrew: I think that there was no real reason to wait. We were both in college at the time. I had taken a gap year. I toured around in a band the year after high school, and between eighteen and nineteen was when I actually became a Christian really. I think I was a nominal Christian up to that point. But I actually had this head on collision with the person of Jesus through the music of Rich Mullins and realized that the stories were true, that He was real and that He loved me. And I couldn't wait to tell people about that. So, I had this real kind of catapulted me into a life that was full of meaning from a life that I felt was kind of meaningless. Does that make sense?

Shelby: Yes.

Andrew: I didn't really understand what to do with my time or my talents. Then all of a sudden, I did. So, when I met Jamie, my freshman year, I really liked her. We were really good friends, and we dated for a few weeks. I realized pretty quickly that I was going to marry her, if I didn't break it off quick.

So, I kind of told her that, “Hey, I like you too much,” that whole thing. And in my defense, I was a freshman. I was nineteen years old. I just showed up at college. I was like, I don't want to be married yet, but I know that if this is keeps going the way it's going to go, we're going to be married.
And She was a few years older, but we just really clicked. Anyway, the breakup only lasted a couple of weeks and went back, and I was like, “Okay, I'm an idiot. Can we keep dating?” Then a few months after that, the topic of marriage came up. A few months after that it was like, Hey, well, if we're going to do it, why would we wait three or four years? That would be dumb.

Shelby: Okay. So, you, you laid it all out for her and you said, “I like you too much.” Then you broke up for a few weeks and then you were like, I'm an idiot. I need to go back to this. You talked to her again. You got real serious, because then it was like your cards were on the table. And after being serious for how long did you decide to get engaged?

Andrew: That would have been like middle of my freshman year, so December, and we got engaged in June right after my freshman year.

Shelby: What did your parents say?

Andrew: Ha! My parents were great with it. My mom and dad are like small town pastor and his wife, and they're just kind of like—

Shelby: --Whatever the Lord wants for you.

Andrew: Yes, exactly. Her dad, however, [Laugher] was not pleased.

Shelby: Tell that story, please, please, please.

Andrew: It's a pretty funny story. He was not crazy about it. And I was - I just looked like a baby. I looked like I was in eighth grade. You know? And here I am dating this girl, this woman really. She mentioned to her dad that we were talking about getting married.

And that was like, He just kind of told her what he thought. He was like, I just don't think this is a good idea. Andrew's too young. What are his prospects? What is he doing with his life? And at the time I thought I'm going to try music, but if music doesn't work, I'll be a youth pastor. And anyway, when he said all this stuff, it was upsetting to her because she believed in me. You know she really saw something in me and what God was doing in me, that she was ready to join forces, you know? So, I drove to her parents house uninvited, unannounced and-- [Laughter]

Shelby: --Knock, knock, knock. Hey….

Andrew: Yes. I stood on the front porch for like fifteen minutes, working up the guts to ring the doorbell.

Shelby: Wow. And good for you.

Her dad is this awesome guy, but he could be intimidating when he wants to be. So, he said, “Bonnie, why don't you wait in the other room?” Her mom went into the other room. And I sat down in the living room and gulped and had a big lump in my throat. We just kind of had this conversation where he asked, “What are your plans? What are you going to do?”

What's so funny is that like, I just like, I'm going to be a songwriter, like--

Shelby: --Oh, I'm going to be a musician.

Andrew: Yes, like she’s going to be fine Mr. Eads. I'm going to be a songwriter.

Shelby: I'm going to make dozens of dollars.

Andrew: Yes exactly. So, but really, honestly, it was a commitment to the Lord and we both worked maybe foolish/courageous enough to just go where the wind blew. She wasn't worried. I wasn't worried. It was like, we'll figure this thing out. We're going to be fine. We don't need much. We didn't have much. You know, when you're in college, you don't have anything anyway. So, by the end of that conversation, he was, he was like, “It took you a lot of guts to come over here.”

I said, “Yes, sir. It did.” Gulp. He said, “I guess that means you'll do anything for her. Right?”

And I said, “Yes, sir. I will”. And he said, “All right, let's plan this wedding.” And that was it.

Shelby: Nice.

Andrew: So, it was a happy ending for sure.

Shelby: That's good. That's really good.

I'm seven years older than my wife, and so she was nineteen when we started dating, and I was twenty-seven. When we decided that we wanted to be serious about stuff, I was down in Virginia, and her parents are up in Pennsylvania. So, I snuck and found out his work number, where he was at the office, and I called him from my cell.

He's in the middle of work. He was an actuary at the time. So, he was like really into like work. And so, if anybody interrupted his work (and he wouldn't mind me telling this story), he was like distracted a little bit. So, I was like, Ed, this is Shelby Abbott. And he's like, “Hey.”

I was like, “Hey, I was wondering if I could drive up to Pennsylvania to talk to you and Marsha about my relationship with Rachel.”
And he goes, what is this about? And I go, “I want to, I want to talk to you about my relationship with Rachel and where it's going in the future.”

He goes, “Ahh that's what I thought.” I was like, that's really put off by it. Had a subsequent conversation with him later on when he was not at work. It worked out well. I wanted to drive up to Pennsylvania to meet them and sit down in the living room and talk like you did.

Andrew: Sure.

Shelby: But he was like, it doesn't make sense for you to drive up four hours to do that. Just talk to us on the phone. And I was like, “But I want to.” And he was like, “No, you're not coming up here.”

Andrew: Wow, that's amazing.

Shelby: Didn't make rational sense.

Andrew: Amazing.

Shelby: He and I are real close now too. I love my relationship with him. My in-laws are great. Thanks for sharing that story. It's really fun.

One of the questions, since you've experienced this is regardless of your age, what would you say to the question of how “put together” does your life need to be in order to consider marriage?

Andrew: Well, it depends on what you mean by “put together.” I think every story is different. You know, there are some people that you might say, “Ooh, man. Yes. I don't think you guys are ready to do this.” I think finances are like low on my priority list though. You know what I mean?

I just don't think it's like you're never going to have enough money to get married. It's never going to feel great. You're going to be poor, no matter what. It's good to be poor. You know? There's nothing wrong with that. So, I think that the main thing, I don't know if “put together” is the way that I put it, but if there's a shared commitment to Christ and the building of His Kingdom, and you're both kind of like signing up, knowing that this is for the long haul and it's not going to be easy. And we're not doing this in defiance of our parents wishes. You know? We didn't, we had their blessing.

Shelby: Yes.

Andrew: So, there wasn't any kind of rebellion involved. It was just like; this just makes sense. We just want to be together. We don't see the point in waiting three years from a temptation standpoint that just seemed dumb to me.
And we wanted to honor God in that way. So, it just kind of felt like, what's the big deal? Why do people say to wait until you're out of college to get married?

So, the funny thing was we got married and moved into like married student housing on campus. Which meant that we were now saving money actually. Because the rent was being split in two. Then she got her job, and I got my job. All of a sudden, we were like, we have more money by far than we had before we got married, which was like thirty dollars. [Laughter]

We still were eating hungry Howie's pizzas or whatever, but it was fine. You know? And you just kind of make your decisions. We had families that were, if we needed help, we knew we could turn to them, and they helped us when we needed it.

Shelby: Yes.

Andrew: I think when we moved to Nashville, it's a good picture of what it was like. We both finished college, but she finished two years before me and was a schoolteacher. When I graduated, it was time to move to Nashville and try to make a go at this music thing. And we had her summer pay. It was like $3,000 in the bank. And that's what we used to rent the U-Haul, came to Nashville, got the first little duplex we could find for five hundred bucks a month. I got a job at the Olive Garden, and she got a job as a babysitter.

But it was like that picture of me and Jamie driving up to Nashville, knowing almost no one in the city with just what seems to me like a laughable amount of money in the bank. But it was just an exercise of faith to go. We're going to go do this thing and just see what happens. When we look back, we think now we were crazy, and there's also some truth to that. I think we were crazy. And that's what a great story, you know?

Shelby: Yes.

Andrew: So, if you're committed to the Lord and committed to each other, then the rest of the stuff is going to take care of itself.

Shelby: Yes. That's really good.

Andrew: It doesn't hurt, obviously, to have some kind of a plan like we had.

Shelby: Of course. Yes.

Andrew: We had to be smart, but we were also very willing to fail. You know? It was like if the plans failed, that didn't affect who God was, or who we were to each other.

Shelby: Good. Yes. That's a really good perspective to have, and I appreciate your story because a lot of young people today don't want to do something wrong. They don't want to make a mistake.

They want to know like, often they ask the question, what is God's will for my life? Which I say that's actually a wrong question to ask. But at the same time, there's a question behind the question of like, am I allowed to make mistakes? A lot of people just don't want to make mistakes. I think that one of the major ways that you do learn is by making mistakes. Like if something fell through for you guys, you would have learned, okay, that's not what I'm supposed to do. And I'll trust that there's no plan B with God. If I'm walking with Him, like everything's plan A. And everything He wants to use to refine me and, and draw me closer to Him.

So, I love that. Because I'm trying to imagine my daughter getting married, super young, renting a U-Haul and going to Nashville with her singer songwriter husband. And me going, “Is this going to work out? Because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.”

But I love that it worked out, you know what I mean? It did work out. How would you feel if that happened with your daughter?

Andrew: Well, it's, it did happen with my daughter. She married a musician.

Shelby: Oh, she did? I didn't know that. [Laughter]

Andrew: So, the funny, the funny thing, like all of our kids are married now and I'm a grandpa. I've got my oldest son and his wife just had their first.

So, the difference is we, all my kids grew up in Nashville, which is a city full of poets and novelists and songwriters. So, they all are in the arts in one way or another. We are actually sitting around the dinner table at Christmas. All of the spouses, grandbabies were all there, and it's just the best. It occurred to me that all of us were self employed. [Laughter]

Shelby: Nobody is with IBM.

Andrew: Not one person at the table, work for all benefits from anybody. Yes, exactly. We're all just kind of like, nobody's finding our way in this.

Shelby: Yes, that's amazing.

Andrew: So, it's fine.

Shelby: Yes, I love that. And I run in that circle too, cause I'm a full time missionary.

Usually when I'm hanging out with other people, it's like, we're all full time missionaries here. And you can start to go. This is actually not normal. What we're doing is not normal. How we're living is not normal, but I love it at the same time.

So, getting engaged when you're nineteen might seem completely foreign to you as a young person right now, but Andrew's someone who kind of breaks the mold in multiple ways. I love his story, and honestly, that might be something similar to what you have in your story. There's not necessarily a right or wrong way to go about it, but really, just to follow the Lord's call in your life, and be obedient to Him regardless of your relationship status.

I loved talking to Andrew Peterson today, and we'll get into some really good stuff with him again in our next episode of Real Life Loading… How do you balance a desire to know what God has planned for you alongside simply enjoying life and what God has given you to experience in Him right now? Well, Andrew will be back to talk about that, along with sharing some of the mistakes he made in his life, it'll be spicy.

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