FamilyLife Today® Podcast

No, I Can’t Make Your Wife Disappear: Danny Ray & Kimberly Thompson

with Danny Ray And Kimberly Thompson | April 8, 2024
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Ever find yourself craving a little space from your partner? It's real--but making your spouse disappear isn't exactly an option. Author and magician Danny Ray and his wife Kimberly Thompson have experienced the intense fights and know the need for breathing room. They have learned how to resolve the repetitive conflicts--and provide "tricks" to help you do the same.

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  • Dave and Ann Wilson

    Dave and Ann Wilson are hosts of FamilyLife Today®, FamilyLife’s nationally-syndicated radio program. Dave and Ann have been married for more than 38 years and have spent the last 33 teaching and mentoring couples and parents across the country. They have been featured speakers at FamilyLife’s Weekend to Remember® marriage getaway since 1993 and have also hosted their own marriage conferences across the country. Cofounders of Kensington Church—a national, multicampus church that hosts more than 14,000 visitors every weekend—the Wilsons are the creative force behind DVD teaching series Rock Your Marriage and The Survival Guide To Parenting, as well as authors of the recently released book Vertical Marriage (Zondervan, 2019). Dave is a graduate of the International School of Theology, where he received a Master of Divinity degree. A Ball State University Hall of Fame quarterback, Dave served the Detroit Lions as chaplain for 33 years. Ann attended the University of Kentucky. She has been active alongside Dave in ministry as a speaker, writer, small-group leader, and mentor to countless wives of professional athletes. The Wilsons live in the Detroit area. They have three grown sons, CJ, Austin, and Cody, three daughters-in-law, and a growing number of grandchildren.

Do the intense fights never seem to end? Danny Ray, the magician, and his wife, Kimberly Thompson, share tricks to resolve the repetitive conflicts.

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Dave: So, I thought I would open today with a magic trick.

Ann: Well, this is new.

Dave: I’m kidding! I have no magic tricks.

Kimberly: Awww!

Dave: But we have a magician—

Ann: —this is a first time!

Danny: —yes!

Dave: —an illusionist.

Shelby: Welcome to FamilyLife Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I’m Shelby Abbott, and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson. You can find us at

This is FamilyLife Today!

Ann: Danny Ray is a magician, and his wife Kimberly—

Kimberly: —is not!

Ann: You are with us today. [Laughter] Oh! You’re not a magician.

Kimberly: I am not; let’s just make that clear. I am not a magician! [Laughter] But Danny is, yes.

Dave: Seriously, we’ve never done anything—Danny, look what I found.

Kimberly: [Gasping]

Danny: Oh, my goodness!

Ann: This is your card.

Danny: How about that!

Kimberly: It’s an old business card.

Dave: Is it? We did a marriage conference in, I think, Goshen, Indiana.

Danny: Yes.

Kimberly: Wow!

Dave: And we walked into this church; we were going to speak on our book, Vertical Marriage. And there’s Danny, in the green room. [Laughter] Right? That little curtain; do you remember?

Danny: Oh, yes.

Dave: I said, “Who are you, and what are you doing?” [Laughter] You said, “I’m doing magic!” We said, “We’ve never had this happen before!”

Kimberly: Oh.

Ann: We were thinking, “This is a cool conference, that they would bring in a magician!”

Dave: But I’ve got to be honest; to be really honest, I was wondering, “How much time is he going to take from our stuff?” [Laughter]

Kimberly: Right, right, right.

Dave: You know, you’re thinking, “It’s always tight.”

Ann: But then—

Dave: —but then, you did your thing—

Ann: —yes—

Dave: —and we were—you were fantastic!

Kimberly: Aww.

Dave: Seriously!

Danny: Oh, thank you.

Dave: It was really good! And I’ll say this—Kimberly, you weren’t there.

Kimberly: No.

Dave: But you know this about the guy: you are humble.

Ann: Yes.

Dave: I mean, there’s a chance, when somebody else is sharing the stage, they can say, “Hey, I don’t get to say a lot, so I’m going to—” You did your thing, you walked off, and I thought, “Here we go!” It was really a team weekend.

Kimberly: —he’s very intentional that way.

Ann: But

Dave: —but what!?

Ann: His show had a lot of marriage principles. You taught through your magic. So, not only were we saying, “How’d he do that!?” [Laughter] Then, you would bring in this great marriage principle that pertained exactly to this trick that you had done. It applied to everybody’s life. So, you really grabbed everyone’s attention. Good job!

Dave: And you’ve also—we were talking earlier—had a little bit of background with FamilyLife.

Danny: Yes!

Dave: You’re sitting here at our headquarters.

Kimberly: Yes!

Dave: A Weekend to Remember®when you were pre-marrieds?

Kimberly: Yes; this is amazing how God loves to bring things full circle. Yes, to be sitting here and on this side of FamilyLife.

Danny: We were engaged; we were at our church—

Kimberly: —yes.

Danny: —and somebody gifted a Weekend to Remember to us.

Kimberly: We were poor college students; had never heard of—

Danny and Kimberly: —FamilyLife—

Kimberly: —or a marriage conference! That was not on our radar.

Ann: Yes.

Danny: Yes; and we had no idea what to expect, but we said, “Free is in our price range,” you know? They paid for the hotel; paid for the conference.

Ann: That’s so sweet.

Kimberly: Yes.

Danny: I think we had to pay for food. I said, “Okay, either way, we have to eat, so we’ve got this.”

Kimberly: Yes, yes. But that set us up for life, really; for a great marriage. Obviously, not perfect.

Ann: Yes, yes.

Kimberly: Like you just said—or we joked about, Ann.

Ann: Yes.

Kimberly: But a healthier marriage. Both of us come from families of divorce, so we knew, “Okay, we want to do—we don’t want that! We don’t want divorce,” right? “We want to be intentional.” But we wouldn’t have known—without that conference, we wouldn’t have known—what that looked like.

Danny: And then, you know, the books at that conference.

Kimberly: Oh, yes.

Danny: We ended up purchasing some of those; one of the devotionals, I think, by Dennis Rainey. We, you know, went back and forth through that, through the first year of marriage (or that would have been when we were engaged), but then we got another one when we first got married. We went to another conference that first year. And that one was at The Broadmoor.

Ann: Ohhh, that’s a good one!

Danny: Yes.

Kimberly: That was a good one to go to!

Danny: We remember that one. [Laughter]

Ann: Yes; that’s good.

Danny: That was our first year of marriage, really trying to set that foundation.

Kimberly: Yes, and those tools, we still use! And I actually know where my—we still have the books!

Dave: Do you really?

Kimberly: Oh, yes.

Danny: Oh, yes!

Kimberly: We dig through those spiral—

Ann: —that’s awesome!

Kimberly: We are just so thankful that we got to be a part of that. And we’ve gone back to thank that couple who paid for us, too, to send us to that. We have a huge heart andsent our newly engaged son and his fiancé to the same [getaway].

Ann: So, for our listeners, if you haven’t been to a Weekend to Remember marriage getaway, this is a great opportunity for you. But also, to gift—I love that idea of gifting—it to someone else, maybe newlyweds as you guys, even your engaged son.

Danny: It transformed our marriage! So, if anybody has the resources to be able to gift that, that is huge.

Kimberly: Yes.

Ann: That’s awesome.

Dave: Yes, that’s good. You can go to, and you can gift it to them right now. But let’s talk about your book! I mean, only a magician would write a book called No, I Can’t Make Your Wife Disappear!

Kimberly: Yes, yes.

Dave: I mean, I remember you handing it to us at the conference, and I just laughed! I thought, “That is so, so good!”

Ann: It’s a great title.

Dave: And as I read through it, you both write in it.


Danny and Kimberly: Yes.

Dave: You didn’t have a perfect marriage. You don’t have a perfect marriage.

Kimberly: [Laughing] No!

Danny: No.

Dave: So, talk a little bit about the struggles that you’ve had. I don’t know—you can pick anyone you want, wherever you want to start.

Danny: Hmm.

Kimberly: Today’s fight? Which one do you want us to talk about?

Ann: Talk about—one of your chapter titles is “How to Read Minds.”

Danny: Yes.

Ann: “Understanding How Your Spouse Thinks”

Danny: So, we always hear how you can’t read her mind. And as a magician, that’s part of what I do. I read minds.

I thought, this is an interesting thing, when we think about our relationship with each other, and just relationships in general: you’re constantly reading each other’s minds. You know, when she’s cooking, I’m thinking, “How can I help with the cleaning process afterwards?”

Kimberly: Or you’re thinking, “I hope this is really good!” [Laughter]

Danny: That might be true.

Kimberly: Okay, okay.

Danny: So, just an idea of how to read your spouse’s mind, and this is part of the book. Let’s say she’s coming home from work, and she’s saying, “I am so exhausted! I’ve been working 12 hours. I’m just completely drained.” That gives me enough information, based on my knowledge of who she is, to say, “I know when she’s exhausted, she loves a bath. I know she’s not going to want to cook when she gets home, so I either need to get something on the table, or I need to go buy something.”

That’s what I look at as “reading her mind.” I know her really well over 27 years of marriage and a two-and-a-half-year engagement. [Laughter]

Kimberly: Yes.

Danny: I’m not recommending that one. It’s a long time to be engaged!

Kimberly: Yes, yes.

Danny: But based on the knowledge we have of the other person, how can we serve them best given the situations they’re in?

Kimberly: In the reading of each other’s minds, there’s also a fine line of making assumptions, right?

Ann: Yes.

Kimberly: We might assume that this is what they want or need.

Ann: Or that they’re going to be in a bad mood, even.

Kimberly: Yes, you could make that assumption, too, right? So, we also have learned to call each other on the way home—whoever’s coming home—and connect before they walk in the door; because that’s the surprise, when they walk in the door and [you realize], “Ugh. This is not going to go well,” right?

Ann: Yes.

Kimberly: We might make an assumption that way. Danny often calls, or I get in the call at work and say, “Okay, I’m on my way home.” He says, “How did it go?” We might start the talk about how each other’s day went, but he’ll say, “Okay, what do you need? Do you need a “go wash off work” kind of moment when you walk in the door?”

Ann: Yes.

Kimberly: “Are you hungry? Coffee? What’s the deal?”

Danny: The key is information. Any mind-reader will tell you [that] a small amount of information goes a long way for them to apparently “read your mind.” So, for example, if you notice somebody has yellow stains on their fingertips from smoking. You don’t know they smoke, but you see the stains, right?

That probably gives you an indication, like if you talk about stress or anxiety. It’s that same thing: when she gives me information on that drive, it gives me enough information to say, “Okay, these are the ways that I could help make the night go great for her.”

Ann: Well, that gets into, when you talk about, scripting: what you say, when you say it, and how you say it matters.

Danny: Yes.

Ann: We were just with a couple—I was just with them—a few nights ago. The wife was venting: “This is what’s going on!” And you could tell she was feeling a little frantic. And her husband said, “Just take a breath! Just take a breath!” And I shouldn’t have said it, but I said, “That is very demeaning,” you know?

Kimberly: Yes. [Laughter]

Ann: Dave used to say to me, “Just relax!”

Kimberly: Oh, yes. [Laughter]

Ann: And I thought, “I can’t relax!”

Dave: That was not a good word! [Laughter]

Kimberly: “Calm down!”

Ann: Or “Take a deep breath!”

Dave: Why did I think that was helpful? I thought that was helpful.

Ann: Yes, “just take a breath!”

“Oh, you want to—” you know?

Kimberly: Yes.

Ann: So, when you talk about saying the right thing at the right time, when it matters; how have you guys managed that?

Kimberly: In magic, timing matters, right? When you do—you can speak to that.

Dave: Yes, I was wondering, do you script your trick? For some things?

Danny: Yes and no. I definitely am not just walking into any situation thinking, “I hope this goes well!” [Laughter]

I definitely try to think: “What’s the best outcome, and how do I work at making that happen?” I’ll take, for the Penn & Teller, that’s the most scripted—if you’re not familiar with Penn & Teller, they have a show called “Fool Us,” where you’re trying to fool two magicians. I went onto that show—

Dave: —you’ve got to go onto YouTube® and watch it!

Kimberly: Yes, yes.

Dave: I watched it, and it was fascinating!

Kimberly: Do we give away the ending? Or no, just let them see it?

Dave: I want to know how you did what you did! [Laughter]

Ann: At least share how much time you put into creating—making this perfect to fool them.

Danny: Yes; so, I had 70 days from the time I got the email saying, “We’ll see you in Vegas,” to the time that I would actually be performing on the show. I put in ten hours per day working on that routine, and I would work on it for one minute at a time. So, I had a clock that dinged every minute. I would practice for 45 seconds, reset that part of the trick, and then at the minute mark, start all over again. I did that for ten hours straight for ten days, and then went on to the next minute of the trick.

So, I was constantly working on the scripting of that as well. With the producers, they wanted this relationship with Allision (at the time, she was the host)—for there to be a great connection that way, but Allison is her own beast, and you cannot control what she is going to say. [Laughter] People ask, “Did you plan on her saying that?” I had no idea what she was going to say. I think this is where the planning and the rubber hitting the road are.

Ann: Yes.

Danny: We could plan on how we’re going to talk to each other. We talk about this: in our fights, we want the intensity to go down, and we want the length of the fight to be shorter.

Kimberly: Because we started out with some pretty really long—


Danny: —drawn out, intense fights!

Kimberly: Yes, yes.

Danny: And we didn’t have great examples of how to do this.

Dave: Yes.

Ann: You hadn’t seen it?

Danny: I love my mom and dad—my dad being my stepdad, but they didn’t have the, you know, “Here’s how to—.” They met in a strip club. [Laughter]

Kimberly: You did not have to say that!

Dave: They really did?

Danny: Literally. No, my mom wasn’t the stripper.

Kimberly: Oh, yes. Good point!

Danny: But growing up, I saw health, but I saw drag-out fights, too. I didn’t have, “Oh, here’s what a healthy relationship or a healthy way to resolve conflict.” So, we had to learn those. We were reading books and trying to navigate that. We just came to the conclusion: it’s not helping; being louder doesn’t solve it.

Ann: Yes. It’s the Scripture: “A gentle answer turns away wrath.” [Proverbs 15:1]

Danny: Yes.

Kimberly: Yes, yes.

Danny: So, learning to have our tone right and our attitudes right—even if we’re still upset in navigating that. We’ve learned a lot, in that way, [about] really showing grace and forgiveness, even when we’re both upset and trying to navigate a situation. Bringing the intensity down and shortening that has really helped us to isolate that so it doesn’t ruin an entire day.

Ann: Kimberly, who gets louder? Back in the [earlier] years, which one of you would escalate more?

Danny: Remember, you threw a book at me; before you say, remember, you threw a book.

Kimberly: And that’s all I could think about actually. [Laughter]

Dave: Danny, way to go. Way to go!

Kimberly: It’s true.

Dave: Did she hit, or did it miss?

Ann: Danny, take a breath! [Laughter]

Danny: Oh, wow!

Kimberly: Confession time: our first year, I did throw a book, and he looked at me—I did not hit you; he looked at me and said, “We don’t throw things.” [Laughter]

Danny: I dodged it!

Kimberly: Probably because you dodged it.

Danny: It’s not the first situation I’ve been in. My sister used to throw, you know, knives. [Laughter] There was a book—I was happy it was a book, but I was thinking, “I’ve got this! I’m prepared for that deal.”

Dave: I mean, what was—do you remember, not specifically?

Kimberly: Yes.

Dave: What was going on in your relationship that it could escalate to that point?

Kimberly: That’s a great point!

Dave: We’ve been there, you know?

Kimberly: Yes; I don’t think it was an issue that was such a big deal. I don’t know.

Ann: Your emotions just ruled the moment.

Kimberly: Absolutely, yes! That’s a very good way to put it. I just did not hold back. I don’t know. I thought that was fair game.

Danny: What about that time you told me you would cut my head off like a chicken.

Kimberly: Okay!

Dave: Man, he’s bringing them all up! [Laughter]

Kimberly: This really wasn’t supposed to be a—I don’t even think that’s—

Danny: —are you going to deny it?

Kimberly: No!

Dave: Kimberly is asking if we can edit things out. [Laughter]

Kimberly: Oh, you can do with it what you want. I can’t hide from it. It’s true!

Ann: But the good thing is, you’re not at that point anymore.

Kimberly: No, this is true.

Ann: And even if you were, there’s always hope that tomorrow, with the power of the Holy Spirit within us—

Danny and Kimberly: —yes.

Ann: —we can get better.

Kimberly: For sure! And I like that you said “tomorrow,” because that’s been a huge part of our marriage; to resolve that conflict that day.

Dave: Yes, you wrote a whole chapter—

Kimberly: —yes, yes. Resolving that conflict—

Dave: —so, do you stay up late? What do you do?

Kimberly: We sure did in the beginning. That was our understanding of the Scripture of—

Danny and Kimberly: “not letting the sun go down on your anger.” [Ephesians 4:26]

Danny: I realize there are different views of that Scripture, but for us—you know, it’s funny, how people interpret different Scriptures—when you read it, for us, we just say, “Oh, I guess we’re doing that.” [Laughter] And we didn’t grow up in the church.

Kimberly: Right.

Danny: Like I said, I came to faith at 17. So, we’re just trying to navigate this. If God said it in His Word, we thought, “Okay, how do we live that out?” We weren’t going to—I was in seminary at the time, but I was just soaking everything up and trying to figure this thing out. That was one where we just made a commitment. So, yes, we would stay up late trying to resolve it. It didn’t always—

Kimberly: —there were some all-nighters. [Laughter] I don’t recommend that!

Ann: We did that, too, and it’s not great!

Danny and Kimberly: No.

Kimberly: No, because you’ve really gone past the ability to work through anything.

Ann: To reason!

Kimberly: Yes. I’m pretty sure one of us (maybe me) fell asleep.

Dave: [Laughing] That would be me.

Kimberly: Okay! Yes.

Dave: Well, you’re a unique couple. I’m sitting here watching you. You’ve got a mind-reader, a magician.

Kimberly: So he thinks! [Laughter]

Ann: [Laughing] So he thinks!

Kimberly: There are things he does well with that, yes.

Dave: But I’m guessing in some ways, Danny, to do what you do, there are abilities. You can read people. You’re watching for things. And you’re a counselor!

Kimberly: Yes.

Dave: You put the two of you together, and you are—

Kimberly: We are reading each other consistently, yes. Constantly and consistently.

As peacemaker is part of me, I’m reading the room, making sure he’s not upset; yes.

Dave: So, I mean, you’re 20 years in—

Danny: —I know what you’re thinking right now.

Dave: You do?

Danny: “I’m going to put a dead chicken in your bed.” [Laughter]

Dave: I have a feeling on your drive away from here today—

Kimberly: [Laughing] —he’s going to be in trouble!

Dave: —you’re going to talk about a book being thrown and somebody’s head getting cut off like a chicken! “Seriously!? Did you bring those up on air?”

Kimberly: Yeah, babe.

Ann: This makes a good interview! [Laughter]

Dave: But honestly, 20 years in, are your fights a lot different?

Kimberly: Oh, yes! Than in the beginning?

Dave: Yes.

Kimberly: Yes, yes, yes. We really, intentionally, brought down that intensity and the length—

Danny: —she’s a lot nicer now. [Laughter]

Kimberly: You know, I’m totally fine with you saying this stuff, but somebody else might—

Ann: —well, you’re saying, too—we didn’t finish the “going to bed angry” [part].

Kimberly: Yes.

Ann: Now you’ll wait, possibly, and resolve it the next day?

Kimberly: That’s a great question. It is still the goal for us—

Danny: —yes—

Kimberly: —neither one of us can—

Danny: —function well—

Kimberly: —function, if it’s not resolved.

Ann: Can function well?

Danny: Yes, especially me. I just need to resolve it to function.

Ann: Yes.

Danny: I don’t know what that is in me, but I just have a hard time—

Kimberly: —let me tell you what it is. [Laughter]

Dave: She knows!

Kimberly: Just kidding!

Danny: She knows I’m not able to practice or concentrate or do anything else until—

Kimberly: —until we’ve worked out whatever [it is].

Danny: Yes; so, sometimes, I’ll need space. I say, “Hey, I’m going to go for a drive,” or “I’m going to go for a walk.” You know, usually, I walk out of that situation and then, go back, and say, “Oh!” Somehow, it helps me to see my faults in it—

Kimberly: —yes.

Danny: —and what I’m doing to continue to make healing impossible. So, usually, it’s just my hard-heartedness in that argument. I can come back after having a breath of fresh air, and say, “Okay, I wasn’t handling this well. I’m sorry that I said these things or hurt you in this way,” and then, work toward repairing that.

Ann: Have you found that that part is the Holy Spirit showing you things, convicting you, and kind of giving you a whole different view of it?

Dave: Softening?

Ann: Yes, a softening of your heart.

Danny: Yes, for sure. I feel like God’s constantly working on me that way, and I know, when I step away. I find it harder, in the middle of a tense argument, to pray.

Ann: Yes.

Danny: But when I step away, I feel like it’s easier to pray. But that’s one of our (I think) “secret sauces”: we do try to pray together. Even after an argument like that, we pray, after, for healing and for wisdom. And to isolate—one of the things that I think we try to do is, if we have an argument at, let’s say, 10 o’clock in the morning, the rest of the day isn’t just, “Ah, this day was just horrible!”—to isolate that to that moment in time.

Ann: Yes, “Hey, we’re going to talk about it; we’re going to let this go and stop here, but later on, we’ll resolve that.” Don’t let your whole day be terrible because of it.

Danny: Yes.

Kimberly: Yes, we’ll resolve it—

Ann: —that takes some—

Kimberly:then, and then take say, “Okay, we’re done.”

Ann: Oh!

Kimberly: “We’ll hit—” Actually, we talk about this in the book: we hit the reset button.

Ann: Got it!

Kimberly: “Okay, we worked through it, because we can’t function if we don’t.”

Ann: Yes.

Kimberly: So, that’s just us.

Ann: Right.

Kimberly: But then, we hit the reset button and say, “Okay, we’re not going to let this argument—even though we’ve worked through it, we’re not going to let it—affect the rest of the day.”

Ann: Keep lingering.

Kimberly: Yes! [Acting] mopey, or hurt, or, you know, sometimes—

Ann: —yes.

Danny: When I was in an argument one time, I was super—I don’t remember, but I think most arguments, you don’t necessarily remember what it’s over, but I just remember being so frustrated! But you talked about how the Holy Spirit works. We were at Hume Lake, which is this camp—

Dave: —oh, we’ve been there!

Danny: —out in California.

Kimberly: Yes, yes; right.

Ann: Yes.

Danny: It’s beautiful!

Dave: Amazing!

Kimberly: Yes.

Danny: So, you know the lakefront.

Dave: Yes.

Danny: This was probably 11:30 at night or something, and I’m just so frustrated!

Kimberly: I’m pretty sure you left me in the cabin with the kids.

Danny: I did leave you in the cabin with the kids, and I just walked out.

Kimberly: Yes.

Danny: And I walked the lake, and I’m standing in front of the lake and praying. And I just felt like the Holy Spirit was telling me, “You need to go back and be with your wife now.” I was thinking, “That is not going to happen!” [Laughter] “And what are You going to do about it?”

Dave: Woah!

Kimberly: Babe!

Danny: And literally, right in that moment, about 20 deer ran right in front of me, and I just about pooped in my pants. [Laughter] It was so loud and scary! You’re in the middle of the forest; you don’t know. I was panting [panting noises]. “Okay! Okay, God. I’m sorry! I’m sorry!” [Laughter] And I went back in, and I was super-apologetic. I know there have been a few times when I literally got on my knees to apologize. I don’t know if that was one of them, but—

Kimberly: —that may have been one of them.

Danny: It might have been.

Kimberly: Yes.

Danny: Because I just remember—

Ann: [Laughing] “And what are You going to do about it!?”

Kimberly: Yes.

Ann: “I’ll show you!”

Danny: Apparently, God can!

Kimberly: Can you imagine saying that to God?

Ann: No!

Kimberly: No, not your wisest—

Danny: —I’m not saying it was the right thing to say; no.

Ann: Thanks for that honesty! [Laughter]

Dave: Be careful what you say.

Danny: Yes!

Kimberly: Yes, yes.

Ann: But also, that’s inspiring; just to see, guys, how you’ve worked through the communication in conflict. That’s wise and impressive. But I think you’re right. I love that you said, “our secret sauce is that we pray together.”

Kimberly: Yes.

Ann: I think that’s ours, too.

Dave: Yes, and I would end today saying, if you’ve never prayed with your spouse—

Kimberly: —yes.

Dave: —or if you haven’t in a while, how about you start today? I mean, just a one-minute, or even a 20-second, prayer—

Ann: —yes.

Dave: —can start a chain [reaction] that can literally transform your marriage.

Danny: Yes. One minute of prayer a day equals six hours in a year. It adds up quickly.

Ann: I like that.

Dave: Only a magician would know that. [Laughter]

Shelby: You know, I did the math, and actually, it kind of checks out. One minute per day equals 6.083333333333 hours per year. So, he was close; he was pretty close. But, still, that’s a lot of prayer! It’s pretty impressive.

I’m Shelby Abbott, and you’ve been listening to Dave and Ann Wilson with Danny Ray and his wife, Kimberly, on FamilyLife Today. It’s been a fun conversation today, and, actually, Danny has written a book [with] a very fun title called No, I Can’t Make Your Wife Disappear: A Magician’s Guide for a Magical Marriage. Now, depending on how you feel about that, I think it would be an interesting read.

It's Danny’s story of he and his wife, Kimberly, as they draw from biblical truths and their own experiences to guide you through things like effective communication, overcoming challenges, and building a lifelong relationship.

You can get your copy right now by going online to You can find it in the show notes. Or you can give us a call at 800-358-6329; again, that number is 800- “F” as in family, “L” as in life, and then the word, “TODAY.”

We’ve been talking about marriage and relationships, and that’s what we love to talk about here at FamilyLife Today. The cool thing is, we still have 20 Weekend to Remember marriage getaways coming up between now and mid-June in cities all over the country. And the great news is, they are, right now, on sale for more than 40% off. You can find a link to the Weekend to Remember marriage getaway in the show notes or you can go to

If you know anyone who needs to hear conversations like the one you heard today, would you share this program from wherever you get your podcasts? And while you’re there, you can really help others learn more about FamilyLife Today by leaving us a review.

Now, tomorrow, we’re going to hear more from Danny Ray and Kimberly as we talk about emphasizing grace within marriage, and honesty, and focusing on the positive aspects of your spouse. That’s tomorrow; we hope you’ll join us.

On behalf of Dave and Ann Wilson, I’m Shelby Abbott. We will see you back next time for another edition of FamilyLife Today.

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